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Offline Bigs

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Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« on: April 20, 2017, 08:46:34 AM »
Will a SE Pro Tuner on a stock '17 107 motor be worthwhile. I was thinking of just a stage 1 download and what affect it might have on performance. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 10:01:07 AM »
Will a SE Pro Tuner on a stock '17 107 motor be worthwhile. I was thinking of just a stage 1 download and what affect it might have on performance. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Best check with the dealer to see if it will void the warranty before carrying on.  Bob

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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 01:38:23 PM »
Will a SE Pro Tuner on a stock '17 107 motor be worthwhile. I was thinking of just a stage 1 download and what affect it might have on performance. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Best check with the dealer to see if it will void the warranty before carrying on.  Bob


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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 01:54:53 PM »
Will a SE Pro Tuner on a stock '17 107 motor be worthwhile. I was thinking of just a stage 1 download and what affect it might have on performance. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Best check with the dealer to see if it will void the warranty before carrying on.  Bob


We know the FP3 won't be covered...

Neither will the SE Pro, Harley pulled them from the shelves.......     
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 02:32:34 PM »
Will a SE Pro Tuner on a stock '17 107 motor be worthwhile. I was thinking of just a stage 1 download and what affect it might have on performance. Thanks in advance for your input.
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Bigs, if you have not heard, mother HD is watching closely on mods on the 2017 model in cooperation with the EPA. Only EPA approved modifications will not void warranty so anthing other that the HD EPA approved upgrades will not affect warranty. Any mod not in HD's catalog and you are on your own. Read the other threads here on the M8 and you will see that HD is voiding warranty easily.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 04:56:11 PM »
I guess I should of said SE Pro STREET Tuner P/N 4100008C 50-state U.S. EPA compliant.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 06:44:59 PM »
Wonder if the EPA is going to go after the shops that "tamper" with pollution control crap.

I was hoping the current administration would dump the EPA altogether.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2017, 06:49:34 PM »
If there were no EPA, we'd all be gagging on thick smog. If your old enough, you know this. In China, 2009, I couldn't even see the sun clearly in the industrial cites. Just like LA, New York, etc. was in the 1970's.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2017, 07:02:40 PM »
I agree, we do need the EPA. Sometimes it seems they overstep their boundaries, but the clean air and clean exhausts we have are a direct result of their work.
Most people don't care to modify their machines to run better (or properly),  so they don't care that the EPA keeps a few from improving theirs. And they feel the factory knows what they are doing. For our own good.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2017, 09:27:11 PM »
Not to get into politics, but I hate that any UN-elected bureaucrat or agency, can make law with no vote by elected officials.

Fine, keep the EPA but make congress VOTE on any proposed regulations.  We would still have clean air but not all the BS.

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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2017, 06:36:40 AM »
I agree, we need the EPA, just not 15 thousand of them.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 01:44:54 PM »
How about the original question? Will a SE Pro Street Tuner, the EPA approved one be any benefit to a stock new 107 stock Milwaukee 8.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 06:34:28 PM »
Sure!  While HD uses the same components on all the air or water, or oil cooled, models, there is always differences in air flow, or fuel flow through the injectors, or "stack up tolerances", etc, so every bike runs better when the map is adjusted for the specific components on that bike, even if those components are stock.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 07:17:09 AM »
How about the original question? Will a SE Pro Street Tuner, the EPA approved one be any benefit to a stock new 107 stock Milwaukee 8.
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Yes, if the tuning device can adjust the timing maps.
The fuel maps still need to be in CL to comply with emissions, so nothing (or not a lot) to gain there.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 07:37:06 PM »
Seems to me the current tuners from HD are EPA compliant, and very limited on adjustment. The guys over in AFR and Tuning would know for sure.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2017, 04:35:15 AM »
Street tuner currently offers +/- 4% VE change in closed loop areas, and +/- 10% VE open loop areas, along with +/- 3° advance closed loop areas, and from -0°+2°CL, up to +/- 6° in the OL areas should be adequate enough for the stock components. Maybe not super numbers, but should be better than when it left York.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2017, 04:53:25 PM »
In OZ, we are only offered the super tuner( orange). It works quite well.

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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 05:15:49 AM »
A tad off topic, but related to some of the comments
i have had dealers with engine warranty issues that were covered with aftermarket headers, mufflers, air cleaners, FP3, power vision, TTS
99% of if it is covered or not is how the bike owner's attitude is, how the dealers attitude is and how the area rep from the MoCo is. I have overheard some interesting discussions between dealer and Rep that swung the customers way
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 09:22:37 AM »
A tad off topic, but related to some of the comments
i have had dealers with engine warranty issues that were covered with aftermarket headers, mufflers, air cleaners, FP3, power vision, TTS
99% of if it is covered or not is how the bike owner's attitude is, how the dealers attitude is and how the area rep from the MoCo is. I have overheard some interesting discussions between dealer and Rep that swung the customers way

The past is the past its a whole different game since the EPA agreement last year when they pulled the tuners.  The motor company made a deal with them, part of that deal was to VOID warranty on bikes with non EPA approved parts and tunes. I fail to understand how people can really expect doing anything else but dealer approved work meeting EPA requirements should be covered on warranty.   Bob

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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 10:19:04 AM »
Yep, the warranty game changed with the 2017 models.
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Re: Question: SE Pro Tuner on stock 107 stock motor
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 05:44:19 PM »
I've tuned a few 17's worth the approved street tuner.  I was able to get decent gains on all of them over the canned MAP but every one of them needed adjustments outside of the limits I had to work with.  I would stick with just slip one and if cams I would use the DR cams.  If you want an aftermarket exhaust and/or cams then you just threw gouge warranty out the window anyways,  in that case I would go TTS