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2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« on: April 15, 2017, 11:37:33 AM »
  I've been working on this combination with Vic Chichester for almost 9 months now. Vic has spent numerous hours with me discussing combinations, what we want to use the bike for (touring, hot rod, etc.). Once we decided what would fit the bill, we zero'd in on the HD 110" drop in with flat top pistons. Then settled on keeping the compression in the 10:4 to 10:5 range with CCP below 200. When T-Man announced his new 585 cam, that was the icing on the cake. I had been going back and forth on cams with Woods TW8 high on the list. HPI 58/62 throttle body fell in to my lap. I was using a HD 58 bored out and cleaned up and was running out of time before I leave for Big Bend and decided since HPI had one on the shelf, decided to try one out. LUCKY purchase there. The Boarzilla just seemed like it might just be  a good fit for this build if the heads from MCE flowed with some good numbers and velocity. The numbers certainly prove that one. I'm a big D&D fan and had run the Fatcats for years. This setup tuned very easy with no bad habits showing itself. A final fine tuning should drive the numbers up a little but am very satisfied with the outcome as is. You just got to love it when a plan comes together and all the parts to the puzzle actually fit.
  A big thanks to Matt Chalmers, Vic Chichester, Larry Buie (partner in crime) Nick(Just Nick),HPI, and of course my wife who had to put up with my waffling back and forth on what to do.

Details of the build:

16 RGS, 110 drop in cylinders/pistons set at .002 in the hole,
103" 87cc heads with 1.95" intake, 1.61 exhaust, 1.8" port by MCE
T-Man 585 cam
10:44-1 compression, 196 CCP
HPI 58/62 throttle body port matched
S.E. tapered adjustable pushrods
D&D Boarzilla
Rivera Game Changer compensator sprocket
Built by Smarty, Tuned by Smarty


Final tuning will be done in a week.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 06:34:03 PM by Smarty »

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCI, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2017, 03:25:01 PM »
Great Build Smarty That is going to be a fun ride in Big Bend.  :up: :chop:
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2017, 03:58:04 PM »
I want to ride that thing! And, D&D pipes are the shizzle
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 04:21:31 PM by MCE »
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2017, 05:40:18 PM »
A lot of thought and good supporting parts in that build, but I think
the "magic" must be in the heads.
Outstanding at that compression and moderate valve lift.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2017, 06:59:08 PM »
I spent allot of time on those.
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2017, 07:31:16 PM »
Looks great 👍👍👍 my build is very close to yours I would have loved to have gotten 120 x2 nice build.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2017, 08:02:35 AM »
The epitome of a "Sport Touring" Build; Great #s / Beautiful Curves for the "Sport" :up: :up:
Reasonable Static Compression / Reasonable CCP / Quiet Motor for the "Touring"...  :up: :up:

A Great Combination of Components Playing Very Well Together... :chop:

MCE; an Awesome Recipe for the 103 Heads Working with the HD 110 Drop-in Kit  :smiled:
I'm sure the "inquiries" have already begun...  :fish:

Smarty; When are you going to finish Tuning that thing?? 'Wanting to see what the #s really are... :hyst:



 
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2017, 09:32:42 AM »
 :up: Nice job.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2017, 10:41:47 AM »
Thanks guys...
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2017, 10:48:46 AM »
 :up: Real nice
Do these cams also live up to the T-man claims of quiet & fast throttle response?
Probably need back to back of an existing cam as PS version.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2017, 02:50:30 PM »
:up: Real nice
Do these cams also live up to the T-man claims of quiet & fast throttle response?
Probably need back to back of an existing cam as PS version.

Maybe Smarty will correct me, but from what I understand, they're super quiet.
He did all the tuning and wrenching so maybe he will see this and give you a better
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2017, 03:13:02 PM »
:up: Real nice
Do these cams also live up to the T-man claims of quiet & fast throttle response?
Probably need back to back of an existing cam as PS version.
Yes, they are super quiet. With the S&S Premium lifters and the adjustable set at 3 turns, the 150lb seat pressure worked perfect. I can't say enough about Matt's heads and this whole combination of parts and pieces.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2017, 05:35:26 PM »
 very nice!  :up:
great job to all involved.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2017, 06:03:18 PM »
:up: Real nice
Do these cams also live up to the T-man claims of quiet & fast throttle response?
Probably need back to back of an existing cam as PS version.
Yes, they are super quiet. With the S&S Premium lifters and the adjustable set at 3 turns, the 150lb seat pressure worked perfect. I can't say enough about Matt's heads and this whole combination of parts and pieces.
What Springs??
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
:up: Real nice
Do these cams also live up to the T-man claims of quiet & fast throttle response?
Probably need back to back of an existing cam as PS version.
Yes, they are super quiet. With the S&S Premium lifters and the adjustable set at 3 turns, the 150lb seat pressure worked perfect. I can't say enough about Matt's heads and this whole combination of parts and pieces.
What Springs??
Stock beehives shimmed to 150 lb seat pressure!

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2017, 06:28:18 PM »
:up: Real nice
Do these cams also live up to the T-man claims of quiet & fast throttle response?
Probably need back to back of an existing cam as PS version.
Yes, they are super quiet. With the S&S Premium lifters and the adjustable set at 3 turns, the 150lb seat pressure worked perfect. I can't say enough about Matt's heads and this whole combination of parts and pieces.
What Springs??
Stock beehives shimmed to 150 lb seat pressure!
nothing wrong with efficiency :SM: ,,, now that you have it figured out :scoot:
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2017, 05:38:02 AM »
  I've been working on this combination with Vic Chichester for almost 9 months now. Vic has spent numerous hours with me discussing combinations, what we want to use the bike for (touring, hot rod, etc.). Once we decided what would fit the bill, we zero'd in on the HD 110" drop in with flat top pistons. Then settled on keeping the compression in the 10:4 to 10:5 range with CCP below 200. When T-Man announced his new 585 cam, that was the icing on the cake. I had been going back and forth on cams with Woods TW8 high on the list. HPI 58/62 throttle body fell in to my lap. I was using a HD 58 bored out and cleaned up and was running out of time before I leave for Big Bend and decided since HPI had one on the shelf, decided to try one out. LUCKY purchase there. The Boarzilla just seemed like it might just be  a good fit for this build if the heads from MCE flowed with some good numbers and velocity. The numbers certainly prove that one. I'm a big D&D fan and had run the Fatcats for years. This setup tuned very easy with no bad habits showing itself. A final fine tuning should drive the numbers up a little but am very satisfied with the outcome as is. You just got to love it when a plan comes together and all the parts to the puzzle actually fit.
  A big thanks to Matt Chalmers, Vic Chichester, Larry Buie (partner in crime) Nick(Just Nick),HPI, and of course my wife who had to put up with my waffling back and forth on what to do.

Details of the build:

16 RGS, 110 drop in cylinders/pistons set at .002 in the hole,
103" 87cc heads with 1.95" intake, 1.61 exhaust, 1.8" port by MCE
T-Man 585 cam
10:44-1 compression, 196 CCP
HPI 58/62 throttle body port matched
S.E. tapered adjustable pushrods
D&D Boarzilla
Rivera Game Changer compensator sprocket
Built by Smarty, Tuned by Smarty


Final tuning will be done in a week.


Edit: I also used 5.3 injectors with this build. I believe the stock injectors would have performed exactly the same now that I have it tuned. Using the 5.3's, when I entered the values in the Direct link engine settings, I put the value of the injectors at 4.90 so as not to max out the V.E. tables in those 4 or 5 areas where max cylinder fill happens. It worked out perfect as the highest V.E. numbers were 123.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2017, 07:51:26 AM »
Congrats to all on an excellent job with the build and tune  :up:
I'm sure it's gonna put a huge smile you're face when u twist the wick !!  :SM:

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2017, 08:47:26 AM »
Excellent for sure.
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2017, 06:12:44 AM »
Nice, looks like a good tune as well, no extra 5-6 hp and torque from a jagged graph. :teeth:
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2017, 07:19:04 AM »
very nice  :up: :up:

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2017, 02:52:36 PM »
Nice, looks like a good tune as well, no extra 5-6 hp and torque from a jagged graph. :teeth:

Haha, but I do see 3 hp and maybe if I'm lucky, 4-5 torque. The beginning is a little raw. It should pick up nicely a little sooner which should add to the peak torque.

Thanks everyone for the kind words.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 06:14:08 AM »
 :up: :up: Congrats.  Good looking build and tune.
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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2017, 03:40:22 AM »
Well, didn't get to fine tune the new build yet. Leaving out for about a 2000 mile ride this morning and decided to put the miles on it then come back, do a compression check, then put it back on the drum and see if I could correct a couple of spots that I think could bring the graph up a point or two. See you guys on the flip side.

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Re: 2016, 110", FLTR, 87 CC heads by MCE, T-Man 585, Boarzilla
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2017, 10:27:30 AM »
Well, didn't get to fine tune the new build yet. Leaving out for about a 2000 mile ride this morning and decided to put the miles on it then come back, do a compression check, then put it back on the drum and see if I could correct a couple of spots that I think could bring the graph up a point or two. See you guys on the flip side.

enjoy the ride...look forward to your next posts  :up:
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